...wow

[Tiq]

So to start off.. never got to go to auchi.. didnt get any form of ID in time.


But thats not what Im here to talk about...


So Ive been hanging around with these two people for the past few days..

Lou and Gary.

Felt like I had really connected with them.. Lou was in love with Gary, but still had her Ex, John hanging around the house and refusing to leave.. she told me she was in love with Gary and that she didnt want to be with John anymore and that he wanted her to stay in the house all the time, to do all the usual "wifely duties".

So they've both been hanging around with me the past 4 or 5 days non stop.. holding hands.. kissing and cuddling and everything, and then I got an email from her this morning saying she was back with John.. I went to the house to see if everything was ok.. they where both there and we got into a massive shouting match where I told him she was in love with gary, and didnt want to be with him.

So he takes her into the kitchen.. talks with her, and when he comes back he says that she told him she is still in love with him, and that the only reason she thought she liked Gary was cause he was taking her out places and she didnt have to have any responsibilities (she has a 6 year old son, named jack)

...I could tell he wanted to punch me.. so I left.. so now, I have a guy who hates me because I actually dared to believe his "ex" when she told me she wasnt in love with him anymore.. Ive lost what I thought was going to be an extremely good friend, who turned out to be lying to me the whole time.

after feeling like I was finally getting out and doing something worthwile with my life, it turns out it was all a fucking lie...

...And to top it all off... the real icing on the cake... I asked Starr (the chick in america Im in love with) to come to scotland to live with me, and she hasnt spoken to me since.


And of course.. it doesnt end there... apparently Johns family are all british mobsters and have been keeping track of everyone involved in this situation, so theres a good chance Im on somebodys "list" because I actually listened when I thought someone was sending me a cry for help, and telling me about their problems.



~sigh~


...I feel like Im done with everything.. Im done getting fucked over because I actually trust and care about people quickly.. Im ready to crawl back into my room and never come out.. Im done being stupid enough to be the nice guy.


...And Im at the end of my line with Religion.. Im really beginning to wonder why, if there really is a god up there, he seems to be having such a f*cking good time watching me suffer...

[Tiq]

Ooooh and also.. at one point when I was at the houe, she refused to talk to me, and told me to get out, I said I wasnt going to leave till we sorted shit out, and she grabbed a kitchen knife, and threatened to stab me in the heart...

[Narok]

So you say your girlfriend's name is Starr.

Whereabouts in America is she?

[Johnny]

Im done being stupid enough to be the nice guy.



This means you're learning.

[King]

So you say your girlfriend's name is Starr.

Whereabouts in America is she?
Isn't that a stripper name?

[Johnny]

Isn't that a stripper name?
Pornstar, actually. But you were close.

[King]

I'm sorry, I'm not that familiar with the biz

[Johnny]

You will be.


You WILL be.






Do you wanna be?

[Tiq]

This means you're learning.


~shrugs~ Not really..


she just logged onto msn apologising, and I told her it was cool, and I would probably do something similair, in her situation.


Looks like Im doomed to be a nice guy for the rest of my life...

[Kaizer The Faust]

Nothing bad about being a nice guy, you just need to know when you are getting played.

And fuck that bullshit that God is allowing you to suffer. Have you prayed? Repented for any sins? Gone to church? The Devil does the bad shit, my friend, not God.

Also: Stop talking with this girl if she is going to just use you like this. That's it. End of story.

[Spoon 8787]

...And Im at the end of my line with Religion.. Im really beginning to wonder why, if there really is a god up there, he seems to be having such a f*cking good time watching me suffer...
Because it's funny and when you're an all powerful, immortal, super being you have to find ways to keep yourself busy.

Anyway, fuck them. You tried to help and got fucked, so drop it and move on.

[MyDoom]

Hmm... social lives. Nothing but trouble.
Humans are naturally jerk-bags.

About the chick you asked to go to the US with you, she might not be talking to you because A. She's still thinking. B. Communication trouble/ buisyness, or C. She's a jerkbag.
Just confront her casually and see if she brings the topic up. Try to talk to her about it, but don't force it on her kinda thing.

Sorry to hear the troubles. *squeeze*
Good luck.

[Tiq]

...Fucking hell.


So Lou and Gary added me to their msn convi the other day.


They still love each other...

Still want to be with each other...

Still dont know how to make it happen..


I should have known better about this.. I had a very close family friend who's known about this situation longer than me, tell me Lou has had to go through this several times with John, yet every time, she has never ever managed to get him to stay away for good... He really doesnt seem to listen to a damn thing she says.

She's still asking for help, out of the situation.. Gary is encouraging her to finally get her family involved.


and they both want me to go meet them, on tuesday... :iffy:


I feel like Im in over my head with this.. I really want to help Lou out of this situation.. I love her to bits, and I want her to be with Gary and be happy.. but I dont know what I can really do..

I got to thinking about some stuff as well.. Lou has been through this, over and over again with John.. and John figures out a way to come back each time... but this time.. she meets Gary.. she finds someone better and realises she actually deserves a life.. and John realises theres a good chance he wont be able to come back this time.. so what does he do? He starts talking about his "family" wanting to get involved.....




Ive also been informed by a close friend online, that should any of Johns so called "british mafia" family, get involved in the situation, I apparently now have some italian "friends", to call on >.>;;




I think God is laughing at me...




....I miss the days when I was a hermit, who played video games all day...

[Wolf Pup TK]

EDIT: Just a note, this was in response to your first post. You posted while I was writing this one up.


Before anything else, let's put things in perspective here. You've known these people for under a week, got involved in their love life, things went bad, and you're saying that it's stupid to be nice and that god hates you. I'm not saying that this isn't really upsetting, but I think you're going a bit overboard here.

With the affair, you're dealing with, I don't think Lou was lying, so much as she was confused. When you're dealing with a shaky relationship, these things happen. There really is no way for you to know if she does or doesn't love/like one or the other. The most likely thing is that she was telling you what she honestly felt at the time and either John convinced her otherwise, or she was genuinely confused about her feelings at the time.

And why are you blaming god when you were the one that decided to try and help? When you try to help anyone, you're also taking the risk that things won't work out. If things don't, then at least you did what you could to help, which is better than turning your back on someone, and in the long run will lead to you helping lots of people. I've had times where I tried to help and it backfired on me, too, but it's worth it in the end. Of course, you could also blame the people actually involved in this, like Gary and Lou for pulling you into this, or even yourself for not realizing that getting tangled in the love life of someone you just met is a bad idea...

I mean, don't get me wrong here, I really do empathize with you, and I know this feels lousy, but I just can't stand it when things go wrong and someone starts blaming god/fate/life/the world/humanity/etc.

You could also try to just call up and say that you shouldn't have gotten involved/pulled into this and to see how they felt about picking things up where you left off and put this incident behind you. I mean, one fight shouldn't destroy a strong relationship...

And about Starr. I'd offer advice, but I don't yet know the situation well enough. If it's not to much to ask, how long have you known her, and have you two met offline?



I think for now you should just let out some steam, then relax and cool off the best you can. Take a run or do something physical, then a long hot shower/bath, and then play some music or games you really like, and just take things easy. By then, you'll probably also get some resolution to some of these problems, and you'll be able to tackle the rest much better than you can now.

So no giving up up hope in your ways or life. You're doing what you can to be a good person, and that alone is awesome. I'm sure you'll have a lot of good come to you from genuinely caring about others and doing what you think is right. Just make sure that you learn from the things that go wrong to improve what happens in the future.

*hugs*

I hope you feel better soon. <=)

[Wolf Pup TK]

Ok, after reading this 2nd post of yours, I have one thing to say about your current plan of action:

ABORT!

Seriously. Give her the support/advice/encouragement from the sidelines, not by getting wrapped up in this whole thing. If she's been doing the same thing over and over, then she's got self-destructive traits, and the more I hear, the more this sounds like a completely dysfunctional mess of a relationship. Her relationship with Gary is also likely to be highly based on infatuation.

You're getting sucked into a BIG mess here. Speaking with HER (and just her) is good, getting involved any further is BAAAAAD.


EDIT: And no, god is not laughing at you. You're letting yourself get wrapped up into a terrible web here. Geez, take some responsibility for your own decisions, man! =O

[Tiq]

heh. I know.

I was thinking of just staying out of it, and offering advice, till the whole thing is sorted..


the god laughing at me thing, was a joke XD

[AAsama]

Learn to jump trough windows in slow-motion

[Tiq]

Her relationship with Gary is also likely to be highly based on infatuation.



Actually, I think its more than that.. I was staying over at hers one night, when gary wasnt there, and she just broke down crying.. wouldnt let me hug her, or talk to her, or anything.. she just kept talking about how bad she missed him.. one of the reasons I actually want to help with this, is cause the two of them really do seem to be in love, and she has very similair feelings to the way I feel for starr..


Ive spoken to John, and he really does just seem like a manipulator.. He accuses her of neglecting her kid jack, to make her feel bad, despite her taking jack out places and trying to make sure he has fun and all that kinda stuff.. he accuses me of brainwashing her, when she says she's in love with Gary... He accuses Gary of creating this whole situation for talking to her when she broke up with john and he refused to leave cause he still see's her as his "wife" and I know he's already gone through this with another woman, who ended up kicking him out and trying to get custody of her kid, so he couldnt see her...

If she has had to put up with this kinda of behaviour for quite a while, then Id say its no wonder she's confused... The man seems to have a destructive pattern on the people around him.. which is one of the reasons Im just thinking of staying on the sidelines and waiting till he's finally out of the picture, before hanging around with them and stuff.

I think it will be solved soon, though.. He fucked up real bad and tried to get one of Lou's cousins to turn against Gary, and if she really is going to finally go to her family and explain things, then more than likely, John will get caught up in his own bullshit.

[Spoon 8787]

Punch out, bail, eject, retreat, fall back, abort mission, get the fuck out, etc, etc.

Seriously, you reached out and drew back a bloody stump, you trying to lose the other hand as well. You tried, it didn't work and now some poser asshole who thinks he has "connections" is starting to get uppity. Fuck that and fuck them, let it go. Wish Lou the best and then just drop it, it's not your problem.

This whole thing is circling the drain and you don't want to go down with the rest of them.

Also, don't take his mafia connections threat too seriously. He might know some kids in a chav gang or something but the odds that he is in with the big boys? Slim at best.

I'm pretty much saying what Wolf Pup is, only I'm swearing a lot more because I just played Gears of War with Sarge and if that doesn't make you want to swear like a sailor then I don't know what will.

[Sanjiyan]

DAN-GER, DAN-GER WILL ROBINSON
Seriously. The wolfpup knows.

[Tiq]

Punch out, bail, eject, retreat, fall back, abort mission, get the fuck out, etc, etc.

Seriously, you reached out and drew back a bloody stump, you trying to lose the other hand as well. You tried, it didn't work and now some poser asshole who thinks he has "connections" is starting to get uppity. Fuck that and fuck them, let it go. Wish Lou the best and then just drop it, it's not your problem.

This whole thing is circling the drain and you don't want to go down with the rest of them.

Also, don't take his mafia connections threat too seriously. He might know some kids in a chav gang or something but the odds that he is in with the big boys? Slim at best.

I'm pretty much saying what Wolf Pup is, only I'm swearing a lot more because I just played Gears of War with Sarge and if that doesn't make you want to swear like a sailor then I don't know what will.


XD


Its not that easy.. Im sympathetic with people, heh. I can forgive them, if theyre in difficult sitations.

[Ronald MacKinnon]

People with mafia connections don't mention said connections.

[Tiq]

People with mafia connections don't mention said connections.

I should have thought about that, actually.. My friend only spoke up when I mentioned I could get hurt.. apparently she's very over protective :iffy:

[Sandor]

Being a nice guy isn't being a push over. I agree with Wolfpup, follow his advice.

[Tiq]

Ok, so heres what happened.

John has apparently spent a lot of time lying to Lou's parents about whats going on, saying "Lou's ignoring me.. Lou's telling me to leave, etc, etc" Without mentioning that the reason she's acting this way is cause of the stuff he's doing, so he was trying to put all the blame on her and make her family hate her.


Lou sat down and explained things to her family recently, and they dont like the fact that they where lied to.


Apparently Lou's uncle who spent 20 years in the military, is coming down to have a little talk with John :lol:

They pretty much told Gary nothing would happen to him either, as long as theyre around, heh, so it looks like the two of them finally get to be together.


Oh.. and did I mention... I GO TO SEE TENACIOUS D TOMMOROW!?!?!?!?! :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy:


My month is getting better :D

[Tiq]

Im leaving to see The D in a few hours ^o^

[Spoon 8787]

\m/
Enjoy

[Tiq]

:fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy:


THE SHOW RAWKED!!!!


Lee was there.. and halfway through the gig Jack and Kyle went to hell and formed a band with the antichrist, colonel sanders and charlie chaplin and had a rock off against satan :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sarge McD]

:fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy: :fanboy:


THE SHOW RAWKED!!!!


Lee was there.. and halfway through the gig Jack and Kyle went to hell and formed a band with the antichrist, colonel sanders and charlie chaplin and had a rock off against satan :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know you're excited. But goddamn. Use a little less icons would ya?

[Wolf Pup TK]

I'm glad that things are going well for you now. =)

[Tiq]

gaaah, this kinda sucks.. found out that a RL friend of mine has been talking shit about me behind my back, to an online friend I introduced her to via msn..


Hadnt spoken to the girl in years and decided to get back in touch with her, and I thought everything was cool.. then a "friend" of mine asked me to introduce him to her and I wasnt really too sure cause the guys a bit of an asshole.. but I did it anyway, cause I figured Id do something decent...

Apparently theyve been sitting on msn talking about how Emo and selfish I am.. and she's been saying she just uses me to get to my more attractive friends, and she's glad I didnt get to go to that anime convention thing, cause she was there... :sad:


ah well, fuck it.. with friends like that, who needs enemies, eh?

[Wolf Pup TK]

Yikes.. you seem to have some trouble telling the difference between real friends and people using you...

I'm sorry to hear about that man. =(
(And if it isn't clear, make sure that the guy isn't just lying to you, and if it's true, just cut them off)

[Tiq]

heh, its all good dude they werent using me.. I wasnt giving them anything out of the bargain.


Theyre just bastards.. and I already blocked them

Fuck em ^_^



things are improving, anyways.. Lou is trying to hook me up with one of her friends, and I have a date on sunday :D