Revolution - What the others claim to be

[Korlee]

You know the others got their own threads and Nintendo needs some loving to even if there isn't much info out there on it. Heres a thread with alot of speculation i like. http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=45634

Can't say i'm a fan of the wireless controller idea but i do like their online ideas. X-box live left me with a bad taste. Didn't delivar what it said but most of all it made me pay it and then it made me pay for things that should have just been patches.

I understand why they are keeping some under wraps. With a year or more for release on the PS3 and such. There is still time to take others smaller ideas. Oh.. well would still like a picture of the controller or the system.

The starting lineup looks great. Games like a new Mario and Super Smash Brothers. If that one has online support this time it has me sold.

[Sarge McD]

If you're refering to the whole.. paying for maps junk they're nothing like patches. Patches just make slight changes that doesnt take much work, where new Maps took a while to design and all that other crap. Why wouldnt you pay for things people worked hard on?

[Korlee]

The main reason was the fact they weren't finished and buggy. Even the new stuff was buggy and the new content wasn't much. I've seen people make better on the editors given to them with Unreal and Starcraft in their free time for free. If your going to make me pay then it needs to delivar and without problems.

Now this is the nintendo thread! More postive about Nintendo's new console!

[Atlarge]

There isn't much to say about it. I will buy it at launch, though, because I've ownec a nintendo system literaly since before I was born (long story). I like the fact that it's conectable to a computer moniter, seeing as I'll be living in a dorm. One thing, doesn't the computer moniter hookup thing effectively give away that it won't be a 3D projection system?

[Korlee]

Maybe but i don't care to much for the support of certian things that are just picture since most don't have it. I hadn't heard the rumor yet about it having a connector just for a monitor.

I can say the same thing as well Atlarge. I've always had a Nintendo system and not one of them has ever died on me and i have them to this day.

[Larc]

What the revolution needs is another Goldeneye, if it can pull one of those out at its launch it will do fine. Everyone I know had Goldeneye when they got their 64 and loved the game to death. A new Mario would be good..but nothing like mario sunshin <_< They need to make somethin like Mario 3 for the NES that was the best one I think (But others will argue that World was the best, but I like em both) So if they made a new version of Mario 3 that was all awesome like and stuff, and throw out some other good games at it's release. Then I would buy it..but if they pull another GameNewb then no >.>

[Balto]

A tiny system from what I heard. It's supposed to be the size of 3 DVD cases stacked up on each other. Another rumor I heard, hope it ain't true, is that the Revolution is actually supposed to be a little stronger then the first Xbox.

[deku_dude]

One thing, doesn't the computer moniter hookup thing effectively give away that it won't be a 3D projection system?

Nintendo already said it wasn't going to be a 3d projection system.

[Necron]

Nintendo has a bad habbit of tricking me, I always seem to buy their consoles and find that I only purchase two of three games that I can actually say lived up to what I expected for it and feel like an ass for wasting my money so I can play super smash brothers melee by myself or play through Ocarina of Time for the uptillionith time. If theres no online play theres no cash out of my pocket this time around.

[KidKatBar]

It should have been like this...http://redruth.greenbean.org/~ben/4CR/Nint...-Revolution.wmv

Come on people get with the future! I want robots and VR!

[Korlee]

I heard the exact opposite Balto about it. From the things i read its alot more powerful than that and can stand up to microsofts new console and hold its own.

Still as i said. Power just makes a game look prettier. Doesn't mean the game will be everything.

Necron, I doubt Nintendo will leave it out. Considering they themselves have listed all these options they are going to provide with their free online service. Now they might do less but it is in there.

Larc, i think both of those Mario's were great but 3 has a special place with. Got it for my birthday and still own the same copy. So if it came down to it. Give me my hammer brother and frog suit!

They are providing wireless controller support from the get go. Even though i've had bad experiences with wireless things. The wavebird was great so the new wireless controller will probaly shine.

[Wolf Pup TK]

Nintendo has a bad habbit of tricking me, I always seem to buy their consoles and find that I only purchase two of three games that I can actually say lived up to what I expected for it and feel like an ass for wasting my money so I can play super smash brothers melee by myself or play through Ocarina of Time for the uptillionith time.
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theres no cash out of my pocket this time around.
Yup, I've lost pretty much all faith in Nintendo. If I buy Revolution, it's going to be at least 6 months after release, and that's only if I hear awesome things about it that make me want it over PS3

[hammy_burgers]

The Rev is shown, I think. (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/games/2005-05-17-revolution_x.htm?POE=TECISVA)

[Korlee]

I hate how people bring up the "nintendo" burn each time in a nintendo thread.

Like Sony has done no wrong. No, the faulty psp and telling the public to live with it was nothing. The Ps2's such as mine that had dvd failure and i went through 2 before my current.

Microsoft, do i really need to go there. Come on. Do i need to say "Windows" do i need to say "buy out everything". Do i need to mention that the first generation x-box's could die by leaving a game in it. Thats right, my friend got part of that little bug.

So please, keep the so called burn out of the thread. Its for hype on the revolution. Not jump on the nintendo burned whining bandwagon.

Now, Hammy_burgers. That article made it seem very bland. Back to the old dodgy bit. Even if the picture was real. I would still like something from E3 or a gaming site rather than UsaToday which gives you just a base line like all their articles. Something from a gaming site would be more informed and i'd trust it alot more.

[Purp13junk!3]

Im sick of hearing critics complain about how their consule is "better" as well. Nintendo is directed mostly at children, however, it does make some games that teens+ will enjoy. X box makes games for all ages, and ps2 makes games for teens and up.(at least the good ones). And unless you have all three systems, I dont see why you should be able to make a comment. for me, ps2 has broken 3 times due to some loading failure, gamecube has never broken, and the xbox has never had any problems either, so stop complaining.

[Korlee]

I read your post and i just have to say it. I collect consoles as a hobby old and new. So i do own all three of the current generation. My x-box tried to die on me just once but it came back. I'm pretty sure it was from leaving halo in it for about a week. Already told ya, what happened to my ps2's. As for my gamecube. No problems yet, it was even dropped once when i moved. Not saying no problems but none for me.

So do i get the dibs on saying abit since i own all three? :angel:

[Mighty Ponygirl]

Well, if the rumors are true, the Revolution with be backwards-compatible with the GameCube, while using full-sized DVDs for its own games... so, I'm very excited, because I don't feel like I'll be giving up an investment if I buy it.

(I'm one of those luddites who only wants to own one console system) o_o

I feel a bit better about these rumors because of Nintendo's push to re-release the old games for the GameCube/Gameboy. I think they realize that there's only so often someone will buy Ocarina of Time. I hope that they're positioning themselves for formats that can be supported across all new consoles.

As for the whole "Nintendo makes games for little kids," I respectfully beg to differ. I think that Nintendo does have a gap in the teenager market next to PS2 and XBox, but non-gamester adults gobble up puzzle games, which the Nintendo has a better market for.

[Dano1]

Another rumor I heard, hope it ain't true, is that the Revolution is actually supposed to be a little stronger then the first Xbox.

They say about 3 times the power of the Gamecube, which is about that.
But if you look at how rubbish the Gamecube graphics were compared to the PS3 and XBOX, looking at the graphics of the new Zelda game, they are roughly about the same as XBOX, Nintendo always has the power but does not do anything about it until it's too late.

Come on Nintendo, make us fan boys (and girls they do exist) proud :thumbsup: :thumbsdow

[Holy Bartender]

But if you look at how rubbish the Gamecube graphics were compared to the PS3 and XBOX, looking at the graphics of the new Zelda game, they are roughly about the same as XBOX, Nintendo always has the power but does not do anything about it until it's too late.

What about SSB:M ( A launch game), either Metroid game, Rogue Squadron 3, any resident evil game, etc etc?

[Mr.Vegeta]

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That be it. No controller yet, as it's apprently the Revolutionary feature of the Revolution. I just hope to God the pad doesn't suck. The controller has possibly turned me off from PS3, at least until they pull a Microsoft and issue a redesigned version. I'll be blunt, I found both 64 and GC pretty dissapointing. But I'm looking at 360 maybe being my main system (XBL), with one of the others being my companion system.

This time I wouldn't mind a smaller selection of games though. I plan to be alot pickier. I bought way too many games becuase they scored well and sounded ok, I didn't stick to what intrests me and I was swamped with a big collection of games I either never played or played half or less off and never touched again. Which is not only wasteful, but it kinda kills gaming for you as a whole when it becomes nothing but an expensive form of stamp collecting.

[Mighty Ponygirl]

Does this make the Revolution the hipster equivalent of a Mac Mini?

[Korlee]

Ok, i've noticed there is like 3 threads for everything including the Revolution. Its stupid we should keep it all in one place so there is no searching for some little fact tidbit when its in another thread intirely. Makes no sense. So i'm grabbing it all shoving it here and summarzing. Someone else can do it for the PS3 and 360.


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E3 2005: Official Revolution Details
A press sheet spills even more details.
by David Adams
May 17, 2005 - Simultaneously with its press conference Tuesday, Nintendo issued an official press announcement offering first details on the company's next-generation console, codenamed Revolution.



The console, expected for 2006, will indeed be just a little larger than three DVD cases stacked together. Nintendo is showing a number of colors at the conference this week, though all shades of Revolution will sit on a silver stand (the console can also be placed flat).

Nintendo will use the Revolution to power its new generation of games, using power the company describes as "two to three times greater" than that of the GameCube. While the company has yet to release any processor details, we do know that the system will house 512 MB of flash memory; a dual-format front-loading disc drive which handles both DVDs and GCN-format discs; wireless controllers; two USB 2.0 ports; and built-in Wi Fi support.

Perhaps most surprising, the Revolution will give players access to Nintendo's back catalog of games. That's right: you'll be able to download classic titles for the Nintendo 64, Super NES, and original NES systems -- in addition to playing your library of GameCube titles.

Nintendo will use the Revolution's wireless capabilities to offer online gaming right from the start. The company will offer an online gaming lobby, the Nintendo Wi Fi Connection, a "comfortable, inviting environment" for online gaming.

As with GameCube, Nintendo is hoping to please both big-name developers and smaller, independent studios with an architecture which is easy to develop for.

"We will show the world what a next-gen system can be. Revolution marries the strongest heritage of innovation to the future of gaming," said Nintendo President Satoru Iwata. "With backward compatibility and the 'virtual console' concept, the stylish, compact body provides maximum gaming power. It will not only take home entertainment into another dimension by expanding the definition of video games, but it also will give you access to the great history of gaming."

"Our next console proves small in size but big on ideas," says Reggie Fils-Aime. "We're throwing open the doors of gaming to wider audiences, from casual players to hard-core gamers who live for the thrill of defeating an endless army of wireless opponents."

Speculation on the touch screen controller abound but still veto'd since it makes no sense. Thought to be just a screen to use like the SP is used for the gamecube.

After an impressive highlight reel showcasing upcoming GBA software, Mr. Iwata returned to the stage and gave the crowd what it was hoping for -- a first-look at a prototype of Nintendo's next console, code-name Revolution. Mr. Iwata revealed that Revolution will be arriving in 2006 and announced that the system will be backward compatible with Nintendo GameCube games. In addition, Revolution will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).

Mr. Iwata also announced that Revolution will feature wireless controllers and compatibility with the newly announced wireless gaming service Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. Many attendees cheered when Mr. Iwata revealed that key franchises will be compatible with Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection at launch, including Super Smash Bros.

Other details about Revolution include:


Sophisticated Design. The new console is approximately the size of three standard DVD cases stacked together, and it was displayed in a variety of prototype colors at E3. The console will come with a sleek silver stand allowing it to be displayed vertically or horizontally.
Backward Compatibility. Revolution will play all of your favorite Nintendo GameCube games. An innovative self-loading media bay will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. You can also equip a small, self-contained attachment to play movies and other DVD content.
Huge Historic Library. Revolution will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).
Big Names. Nintendo announced that new franchise properties will be added to current super-star franchises including Mario, Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Donkey Kong and Metroid.
Wi-Fi Freedom. A worldwide network of Nintendo players can gather to compete in a comfortable, inviting environment using Nintendo's newly announced wireless gaming service, Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection.

Thats right full backwards compatibilty. All the way to the nes. They say its free but who knows. Even if it does cost 1-5 bucks i understand that since it is a very large library to maintain for download. I won't do 15 bucks or more though.

[Raiyn]

The fact that you can download Nes, Snes, and 64 games was news enough to convince me to buy it. Plus converting to DVD formats is going to make it easier for developers to actually program games. It's good to finally see Nintendo taking the much needed steps in the right direction. I was disapointed with the DS but if the new GameBoy is any kind of evolution like the GBA was then Sony will have a big problem on their hands. And I love my PSP. ; ;

[Serge]

The next gen systems doesn't feel right with out a new Sega. God.. I miss them.

[Seraphna]

To address every negative comment so far:

A) Wireless WiFi has been confirmed, as well as free online gaming service, both by Mr. Iwata himself and Reggie.

B) The Revolutions technical specs have not been released yet, so any bullshit statements like the Revolution will be only slightly powerful then current systems is 100% pure, grade A rumor. Fact is, the only system coming out that's known to only be slightly better then the current systems is the XBox 360, which is, essentially a slight upgrade of the original XBox.

C) Whatever Nintendo releases as specs, is pretty much what the other companies machines can do, Microsoft and Sony both release thier specs based on what thier equipment does on PAPER, not on how it performs while actually running a gaming enviroment.

D) Controller info hasn't been released yet, but I have yet to check my messages, so I'll get back to you on that, I have a friend at E3.

E) Sega puritans, please remember that they develop games now, they are still around.

[Mighty Ponygirl]

I've heard conflicting stories on just what "back catalogue" comprises.

At first, I thought they meant "everything." Now, not so sure. I know that Nintendo's licensing practices on its older systems was pretty draconian, so I'm confident that the majority of the catalogue of NES/SNES games will be available, and obviously the in-house stuff will be available, but what about stuff developed by Capcom/Intellivision/Atari, etc? There may be licensing issues preventing us from being able to download the FULL catalogue, if those companies still retained some of their licensing rights.

So, my original excitement is tempered somewhat. Until I hear the words "entire catalogue," I'm going to assume that I can download all of the old inhouse stuff, and maybe a few of the other titles, but not necessarily everything.

Pricing schemes will be interesting. Will it be like iTunes--a dollar a download, no matter what, or will different games cost different $$$ (ie, will I have to pay more for an "import?") Finally, I'd like to see some metrics on their external storage drives. How many NES games will fit onto their largest drive? How many SNES and N64 games?

If they could create some sort of copy-protection code linking the download to the Revolution's S/N*, it would be nice to be able to have some sort of software for Mac/PC to burn older games to DVD as either playable media or backup in case your external drive goes poof. Of course, if the system goes poof, you're screwed, but I wonder if they're thinking about this at all.

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*I'm not saying this because I'm little-miss-copy-protection, I'm saying this because otherwise burning your own games would be nixxed outright by the company.

[Akukami]

I have to admit, I hated Nintendo in the past. I use to be a huge fanboi back around the N64 time. Hey, I was young, stupid, and my only means of communication with the outside world at the time was Nintendo Power. After getting a Playstation and realizing that alot of the stuff Nintendo did was silly/stupid I moved on. Fast forward to a few years ago, new Zelda is due out. I buy a Gamecube, Metroid, and the new Zelda. After beating both of those games and realizing there would be no good games to play I sold it off for cash to get a new video card for FFXI, a horrible mistake but that’s a different topic all together. Throw that in with me giving into Nintendo's promises and it's easy to see why I'm scared.

Even with that part of me that wants to wait and see if they will actually deliver, I am quite impressed with the Revolution. It seems to me Nintendo is learning from its mistakes, almost every complaint I had about the GC seems to be fixed. Proprietary mini disk that restrict developers and make the games shorter? Gone! Not paying attention to the online work? Gone! A system that looks flat out kiddies? Well, there working on that. Maybe I was hypnotized by that scary, football player about to lock you in a locker look of Reggie; perhaps I've matured over the years. Maybe I realized that both Sony and Microsoft are both guilty of there sins, but honestly I've looked past Nintendo being "Kiddie". Plus what can I say, Nintendo was my childhood. Even the possibility of getting to replay the old school games that I grew up with, such as Excite bike, Link to the Past, Mario World, etc. excites me to no end.

[Seraphna]

THe Nintendo announcement, offically is "every video game available through a Nintendo Portal." THat directly translates to any game Nintendo has ever signed under thier seal of approval rights, which covers all but 4 games in the Nintendo Library, all but 3 in the SNES library, and all the games in the N64 library, the agreement, to that end, is that any game that carries thier approval can be resold at any point in time.

Expect to see nearly every game ever made playable on the revolution, and the companies you mentioned as examples are either confirmed publishers for the Revolution, or non-exclusive. There aren't many companies out there that aren't going to agree to this, and Nintendo only announces facts... so 10 to 1, Nintendo has already cut deals with any former developers that have issues.

((On a Square-Enix note, they are slated for at least 5 more Nintendo titles, so we have a very good chance of seeing all the old Squaresoft games, it's good to be in bed with Enix. :P ))

[Mighty Ponygirl]

THe Nintendo announcement, offically is "every video game available through a Nintendo Portal." THat directly translates to any game Nintendo has ever signed under thier seal of approval rights, which covers all but 4 games in the Nintendo Library, all but 3 in the SNES library, and all the games in the N64 library, the agreement, to that end, is that any game that carries thier approval can be resold at any point in time.

Gleeeeee!!!!! :D

<goes and eats a bran muffin specifically so that she can shit herself. Again>

[KidKatBar]

The next gen systems doesn't feel right with out a new Sega. God.. I miss them.

Amen to that! Its just stupid now with Sony and Microsoft... At least they were somewhat equally matched with Nintendo back in the Genesis/SNES days.. that console war made me so happy...

[Mr.Vegeta]

Seraphna, looking at the specs of 360, I'm honestly befuddled how this is a "slight" upgrade. You said people shouldn't assume without seeing specs that rev is only a slight upgrade, then you completely ignore the beastly specs of 360 and falsely call it just that. Your basically playing "do as I say, not as I do" I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when I see BS I have to call you out on it.

[Mighty Ponygirl]

The console wars made me want to join a religious cult, just for a little rationality after listening to fanboys debate which four-year-shelf-life item was "better." A debate for the ages pretty much sums it up. (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=142)

[Seraphna]

Seraphna, looking at the specs of 360, I'm honestly befuddled how this is a "slight" upgrade. You said people shouldn't assume without seeing specs that rev is only a slight upgrade, then you completely ignore the beastly specs of 360 and falsely call it just that. Your basically playing "do as I say, not as I do" I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when I see BS I have to call you out on it.

If they upgrade from DVD, we can talk about beastly specs, they haven;t so we won't.

[Mr.Vegeta]

Revolution will play 12cm (DVD) discs

-IGN report on Revolution at E3

Now how is it that 360 can have its specs ignored and called a slight upgrade becuase it uses DVDs, but despite the fact Rev will use basically the same medium were supposed to give it the benefit of the doubt? Please explain this to me. If you just don't like MS or what they're doing in the buisness thats fine, say so and move on, but don't BS with double standards like this. I'm only bringing this up becuase I respect you as a poster and want to see better from you than this.

[The Bear Burrito]

I must say that I am very impressed with the Revolution. It makes this Nintendo fanboy proud... :thumbsup:

[Tom The Yeti]

Revolution will play 12cm (DVD) discs

-IGN report on Revolution at E3

Now how is it that 360 can have its specs ignored and called a slight upgrade becuase it uses DVDs, but despite the fact Rev will use basically the same medium were supposed to give it the benefit of the doubt? Please explain this to me. If you just don't like MS or what they're doing in the buisness thats fine, say so and move on, but don't BS.
I watched the whole Xbox360 PressConference yesterday. If you ask me, it looked like a joke. Sure the Xbox live set up was really cool, and all the other featurs, like MyTV and buying CDs online are neet, but hey were saposed to be playing games right? The videos that I saw where not impressive, I havn't seen the stats yet but really it means nothing. PS3 is a power house, but unless it pulls some mindblowing games out of their ass, its going to fade from the spot light.

but enough about that, lets stay on topic eh?

Im not so sure that the Revelutions online system will be free, the never said that it would be, or that it wouldnt either. They did say that the DS would be online, with no extra charge at all. I do hope that they relese some kind of patch to upgrade PictoChat to work off that connection, instead of just lan.

[Mr.Vegeta]

I watched the whole Xbox360 PressConference yesterday. If you ask me, it looked like a joke. Sure the Xbox live set up was really cool, and all the other featurs, like MyTV and buying CDs online are neet, but hey were saposed to be playing games right? The videos that I saw where not impressive, I havn't seen the stats yet but really it means nothing. PS3 is a power house, but unless it pulls some mindblowing games out of their ass, its going to fade from the spot light.

Both the 360 and PS3 will be capable of graphics shown in the PS3 demos....in time. The difference with what was shown is that MS spent most of their time showing off games that are being rushed for launch that were built on inferior hardware (alpha kits said by devs to be at 1/3 power) and Sony put together demos that were simply showing what they believed would be possible on the PS3. If PS3 development was really that far ahead of 360 development, they wouldn't be launching the PS3 behind the 360.

Games eventually did live up to the PS2 demos. It's just that it took about 4 years for it to happen. Games eventually lived up to the Xbox demos...after about 3 years. If gamers were shown the Xbox versions of Riddick, Doom 3, Conker or Half Life 2 in the form of demos around the Xbox's launch, nobody would've believed them. The issue with the PS3's demos is that they were shown as "what will be" and the media is presenting them as "what is".

[Korlee]

Yo, people this is a Nintendo thread. The 360 and PS3 threads are over there. You want to talk about how much better yours is. The thread is over there, please. This thread is centered abit around Nintendo. Now down to business.

I agree that they will probaly have all games available for download. Nintendo, was very picky back in the day and made sure the seal was on it all. They generaly make good on their word so i think the few that probaly had something to say they cut deals with.

I'm very glad to see they are least throwing in the dvd player now. Since its almost a basic option for such things now.

Really what i want to see most at this point. Is the controller. I want to know what it looks like and what it will do.

[Seraphna]

Revolution will play 12cm (DVD) discs

-IGN report on Revolution at E3

Now how is it that 360 can have its specs ignored and called a slight upgrade becuase it uses DVDs, but despite the fact Rev will use basically the same medium were supposed to give it the benefit of the doubt? Please explain this to me. If you just don't like MS or what they're doing in the buisness thats fine, say so and move on, but don't BS with double standards like this. I'm only bringing this up becuase I respect you as a poster and want to see better from you than this.

The disc SIZE has been reported, due to the images of the system. It has not been reported what medium they will be using as of yet, they could very well be using BluRay.


Im not so sure that the Revelutions online system will be free, the never said that it would be, or that it wouldnt either. They did say that the DS would be online, with no extra charge at all. I do hope that they relese some kind of patch to upgrade PictoChat to work off that connection, instead of just lan.

You watched the news conference right? Including the 2 minute time Reggie took just to express how they are going to ensure all 1st party titles are guaranteed to have no additional online cost from the retail? They HAVE said so, so please don't state false things.

As well on the Pictochat connection, what are you talking about? You want them to make it so Pictochat works through a system to go onto a lan and then work, when it can just go over a lan? o.O

[Mr.Vegeta]

You still have yet to properly justify your stance, and I sincerely doubt you are capable of doing so, so I'll just drop it. I'm coming at this from an open minded common sense stance, your coming at it from a very different angle, so it just won't work.

[Seraphna]

You're coming from a superiority complex over the raw power of Microsoft's machine, I'm barely even concerned about raw power, as you'll see in the other thread. So yes, dropping it's a good idea.

Of course, I'm basing my stance on BluRay discs having 10 times the storage capacity of a DVD, making much more room for higher quality games to a disc, as well as XBox lacking a Cell Processor and Microsoft's already historical ability to exaggerate the power of thier system. (And do do strange things like forget a fan in thier first gen systems. A hint that they might not exactly be gurus with electronics.)

[Mr.Vegeta]

You're coming from a superiority complex over the raw power of Microsoft's machine, I'm barely even concerned about raw power, as you'll see in the other thread. So yes, dropping it's a good idea.

If that makes you feel better to spread lies and make assumptions then go right ahead. I won't stop you. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

[Seraphna]

Not spreading any lies, read above again. I stated that they are not "the ultimate powerhouse" and that you're giving the classical fanboy routine.

[Mr.Vegeta]

Not spreading any lies, read above again. I stated that they are not "the ultimate powerhouse" and that you're giving the classical fanboy routine.

Right, I'm an Xbox fanboy. One who see's Halo 2 as the most dissapointing game of the entire gen, think jade Empire is total crap, loathes Forza and PGR2, and thinks XBL is overglorified multiplayer. Yep, big time x fanboy. Fanpeople shouldn't sling around that accusation, it's silly.

[Seraphna]

Hehe, that's nice. You're still overlooking clear logical facts in order to dispel something that I haven't even said. Would you stop already and reread?

[Mr.Vegeta]

Hehe, that's nice. You're still overlooking clear logical facts in order to dispel something that I haven't even said. Would you stop already and reread?

You said Xbox 360 was a slight upgrade. You were asked to justify that stance, you failed to do so and used a weak excuse that was already dismissed. if you have some actual logic to present rather than an agenda to push then I'm all ears.

[Seraphna]

I'll justify it in small baby words since you can;t comprehend the english language.

XBox discs have small brains, they hold little games.

PS3 discs have big brains, they hold big games.

XBox processor is obsolete in less then one year.

PS3 processor is a brand new technology that thusfar doesn't even have competition in development.

XBox and PS3 both have very small title lineups compared to Nintendo, those sneaky devils and thier downloading idea!

The 360 is doomed to go the way of the Saturn and the Dreamcast, the first release system that got rushed so it missed out on all the cool stuff.

Need more? I've got facts here you know, and I'll even put the PS3 and 360 specs side by side for you, since you clearly can't read a spec sheet.

[Mr.Vegeta]

Oh nice, now were going down to flaming. you know what? screw it, your absolutely pathetic and not even worth the time it takes to try to open your eyes a little. Hopefully the next time we meet you'll have done some growing up.

[Seraphna]

Oh nice, now were going down to flaming. you know what? screw it, your absolutely pathetic and not even worth the time it takes to try to open your eyes a little. Hopefully the next time we meet you'll have done some growing up.

The 360 is an increase in the graphical processing and the raw processing threads, it uses the same memory, same medium, and same enciding as the last system. It's a slight upgrade.

The PS3 uses a whole new processing technology, they've even broken free of RAM dependance in computers by doing this. They are using BluRay technology, a whole new disc recording system that store 10 times the data on a single disc, for a low cost as well. They have even had a brand new form of graphics board created just to work with these new technolgies.

The Revolution adds retro gaming competitvely to an every increasing world of technologies. There is a high possibility that the discs used in the Revolution will also be BluRay. As well, Nintendo has contracted ATi to develop and exclusive graphics board for thier product, and they STILL have innovations they have not yet released.

You know what? You have nothing, you aren't even presenting, you're sitting here trying to dissolve my words with petty claims. Maybe you should grow up.

[aniki]

The PS3 [is] using BluRay technology, a whole new disc recording system that store 10 times the data on a single disc, for a low cost as well.Isn't XBox 360 using HD-DVD? I'm not entirely familiar with the comparison specs of BluRay vs HD-DVD, but they're pretty close in terms of capacity from what I remember.

I'm probably only going to bother with Revolution in this next generation though - kind of like the GC was the only one I bothered picking up from the current one. The X360 might get a look-in if the games are decent and if they manage to get backwards compatiblity working in time for launch.

Sadly, I'm a self-confessed anti-Sony fanboy, so the PS3 will never get a look from me, any more than the three previous iterations of the console.

[atomsk]

Isn't XBox 360 using HD-DVD? I'm not entirely familiar with the comparison specs of BluRay vs HD-DVD, but they're pretty close in terms of capacity from what I remember.

No, the Xbox 360 uses dual-layer DVDs, AKA DVD9. It's pretty pathetic, really.

[echoes]

HD-DVD = 9 gig capacity

Blueray disc = 25 gig capacity (unless it's dual layer, then it's 54 or so)

so yeah, there is a BIG difference.

[atomsk]

HD-DVD = 9 gig capacity

Blueray disc = 25 gig capacity (unless it's dual layer, then it's 54 or so)

so yeah, there is a BIG difference.

HD-DVD is 15gb at single layer, 30gb at dual layer, 45gb at triple layer (recent development).

Blu-ray is 25gb at single layer and 54gb at dual layer. No triple layer announced yet.

edit: And Xbox 360 uses neither of these. It uses regular DVD9s.

[echoes]

point being, blueray > HD-DVD

[atomsk]

point being, blueray > HD-DVD

Oh yes. Quite.

[Ronald MacKinnon]

I heard it causes breast cancer, and I'm against stuff that harms boobs. I am however pro radical breast growth.

[Korlee]

I heard it causes breast cancer, and I'm against stuff that harms boobs. I am however pro radical breast growth.

I move that you be slapped for the betterment of humanity.

It would be nice if Nintendo was using Blueray as well but who knows since its not confirmed yet. That would be a very big plus if they did.

I'm very happy Nintendo is offering the online service for free. X-box live always did get me big time for paying 9 bucks a month for a stinkin buddy system. Most of the good game downloads that gave 2 mechs or a couple maps cost me again. So, ya very lame. Sony's was nice in that it was free but they didn't offer any real support for it. So many games didn't use the option or used gamespy which i really dislike gamespy. Would have been nice had they did more on their own. So props to Nintendo if they pull off the free service nicely.

[CableCarrier]

I like the idea of it being Wi-fi enabled right out of the box. I could play online in my room most of the time and move the Rev. to the family room for online playing if need be.

That is, if I'm reading the spec sheet correctly.

[Atlarge]

For all you Square fans:
http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9f2afb64-b75b-48a2-a73b-f4ca8827eeed

[Korlee]

While i do not care for Square i did enjoy that game because it was simple. It didn't require me to go to extremes to do everything. Glad, to see Square and Nintendo have made up more but i would still kill for a Super Mario RPG Sequal.

[radiopillows]

For all you Square fans:
http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9f2afb64-b75b-48a2-a73b-f4ca8827eeed
I hope they make it actually fun to play this time.

[GlazedKoala]

A lot of people say that gamecube (and perhaps n64, which i find had amazing games) didn't really have any games worht buying, but frankly, all 3 systems: gamecube, ps2, and Xbox, in my opinion, failed to release more than 3 or 4 games worth buying.

Xbox had halo, and halo rip-offs basically.
PS2 actually had FFX, Devil May cry (only 1 and 3, 2 was crap).
gamecube: Zelda, SSBM, mario kart, Wario Ware

there were also some games they all had.

but yes, I will definitely buy the revolution just for online super smash brothers play. I will also definitely buy it to get all the old nintendo games.

And yeah, GC definitely had games that teens could enjoy, they just weren't bloody and violent. Seems like that's all you kids care about these days.

Sorry if I repeated anybody, i read 3 or 4 pages of this thread and then gave up.

[atomsk]

PS2 actually had FFX, Devil May cry (only 1 and 3, 2 was crap).

Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, ICO, Katamari Damacy, Shadow of the Colossus, Disgaea... I could keep going if you want me to. You're leaving out tons of games "worth buying".

[Korlee]

Ya, i will have to go with there was more on all of them than that. Some more than others. I know its a matter of opinion on alot of them but still. Alot were unique enough to be included regardless.

[radiopillows]

A lot of people say that gamecube (and perhaps n64, which i find had amazing games) didn't really have any games worht buying
I think most people were saying that Gamecube didn't have any NON-Nintendo games worth buying.

[GlazedKoala]

...is that what they were saying? That's a bit crazy.

And yeah, I guess I'm rather picky about the new games....

And not a metal gear solid fan. They aren't bad games, I'm just not crazy about them. Or ICO.

Anyway, i'm sure there are some other good games out there, but hte fact is, so far as I'm concerned, no system really had many games worth getting.

I think of all of them, PS2 probably had the most though.

[radiopillows]

...is that what they were saying? That's a bit crazy.

And yeah, I guess I'm rather picky about the new games....

And not a metal gear solid fan. They aren't bad games, I'm just not crazy about them. Or ICO.

Anyway, i'm sure there are some other good games out there, but hte fact is, so far as I'm concerned, no system really had many games worth getting.

I think of all of them, PS2 probably had the most though.
See it's like this, PS2 has the most good 3-party games. Gamecube only has Nintendo games and some games that have been released on all systems. The exclusive Gamecube titles usually aren't that good, or aren't actually exclusive (RE4, Super Monkey Ball, Viewtiful Joe).

[Akira]

Xbox had halo, and halo rip-offs basically.
PS2 actually had FFX, Devil May cry (only 1 and 3, 2 was crap).
gamecube: Zelda, SSBM, mario kart, Wario Ware ...you don't play a lot of games, or much look for them either (<.< nobody remembers ZoE2 i.i)

See it's like this, PS2 has the most good 3-party games. Gamecube only has Nintendo games and some games that have been released on all systems. The exclusive Gamecube titles usually aren't that good, or aren't actually exclusive (RE4, Super Monkey Ball, Viewtiful Joe). GameCube also had,
Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
Cubivore (strange game...very strange)

My friends said these were awesome:
Eternal Darkness
Gotcha Force
Custom Robo
FF: Crystal Chronicals
Tales of Symphonia
Animal Crossing

And Giest looks pretty cool too.
^--The size of this list is small, and proves that yeah, Nintendo is pretty self-reliant, but that doesn't mean anything to me because I still had fun playin' them.

*hopes for a pikmin3 on the RevOlution*

...but another thing...I'm still really confused as to how they fit (what I expect to keep up with the nextgen systems very well) into that little box?
I mean, I was like "Wow, that's one big remote, I wonder what the Revo-...oh crap..."

[GlazedKoala]

Eternal Darkness I recall being fun actually, but still not something particularly memorable to me.

I heard some good things about tales of symphonia, and some good things about Crystal Chronicles.

I did play Chronicles after hearing such good things and was rather dissapointed. I found it kind of annoying. To me there seemed to be little real difference between most physical attacks and magic, and the battles just didn't seem particularly fun

And why bother accusing me of not playing many games? I assure you, I have. I just don't like a lot of games that you people apparently do. I gave my OPINION, it's not a big deal. Feel free to list any games you guys happen to like for whatever system.

[Akira]

And why bother accusing me of not playing many games? I assure you, I have. I just don't like a lot of games that you people apparently do. I gave my OPINION, it's not a big deal. Feel free to list any games you guys happen to like for whatever system. 1.) There were only 2 games listed under PS2 (and you listed FFX as one of them), and trust me, you have to be pretty blind to skip up that huge library of other beauties lyin' around there.
2.) There weren't many Halo copies on the xbox...infact I can't think of any on the xBox (other than maybe Pariah, but it adds in a lot more). A couple on the ps2, but nothin' that actually copied the things that made Halo unique (on xBox)...which really wasn't much other than the story, sheild system, and grenades as a seperate item...and maybe the vehicles. Sure, there's a lot of First Person Shooters, but most just used the bare basics and set you in a scenario.
3.) There's a difference between purchase worthy and "Instant Classic"...

[Seraphna]

Sony:

Xenosaga, Xenosaga II, .HACK// (1, 2, 3, 4), Devil May Cry 1-3, MGS 2: Substance, MGS3: SNake Eater, Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts 2 (coming soon), Okage the Shadow King, Summoner 1 + 2, GTA3, GTA: Vice City, GTA: San Andreas, Mobile Suit Gundam

XBox:

KotOR, KotOR 2, Halo, Halo 2, Fable, and Doom3 (and dear gods, I have them all for the PC savve H2, which shall be mine!)

Nintendo:

SSBM, Zelda: Wind Waker, Zelda: Twilight Princess (coming soon), 4 Swords Adventures, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Paper Mario 2, Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, Mario Kart: Double Dash, Zelda Collection, Tales of Symphonia, Resident Evil 4, Geist...

[Akira]

Okage the Shadow KingNow that's an original RPG, can be a bit repeatitive at points, but style and story = very interesting.

[Max Cola]

You guys win, Okage is awesome.

[Seraphna]

I love the game, and I bought it for 1 Dollar, brand new, from EBGames. :)

[Valkor]

... how did you get Fable on the PC? Cause playing it without the required low res fugliness would be awesome.

[Akira]

Oh, one game the xBox had that really sold (that wasn't sold on another platform) was Ninja Gaiden.

...but we've gotten ungodly off topic, the revolution sounds awesome.

Nintendo Revolution:

Dowloadable games from Nes to N64 (and if you remember, the largest game for the n64 was only 64 megs uncompressed [Conker's Bad Fur Day]) with backwards compatibility to the GameCube discs (awesome!)
Wireless and Wired controllers (and I'm still waiting to see the control design), with button pressure sensitivity and this odd gyroscopic thingy (...of which I don't really see coming into much use other than another kirby tilt and tumble game)
Working with ATI to develop some kinda brand new graphics card that will (knowing ATI) will knock our socks off.
Advancing their Console to Handheld...stuff...
Supported online play (Most likely free for all Nintendo games, and most likely other 3rd party games...because have you ever payed)
Super Smash Brothers Online...yeah it get's it's own pro because the mere thought of it is just that awesome.
Supposedly going to have better 3rd party support, now this I gotta see.
Not to mention that it's the only one with a cool system design (I can't beleive you Sony, what the hell where you thinking? A hump on the ps2? Yeah, real sexy.)
Congrats Nintendo, I'm also glad you aren't hyping the crap out of your system just yet...just using that silence hype...which makes it all, mysterious.

The Fight in my mind between a Revolution and PS3 is horrible.

[Seraphna]

... how did you get Fable on the PC? Cause playing it without the required low res fugliness would be awesome.

It's coming out soon.

As for the possible overhype... here's all I have to say...

Sony E3: BUY OUR SYSTEM! AND AN HDTV! LOOK! IT CAN GO DUAL SCREEN HDTV!!!! BUY BUY!!!

Nintendo E3: We've released an new GBA, here's our details on online gmaing wiht our upcoming systems, ere's the prototype of the revolution, and oh, you cna download a library of games.

Microsoft E3: We've got a ton of games coming out, and the 360 is already public info, so let's show off the goods.

Hmmm... I think Nintendo ain't the ones overhyping atm. <.<

[Akira]

Hmmm... I think Nintendo ain't the ones overhyping atm. <.<Congrats Nintendo, I'm also glad you aren't hyping the crap out of your system just yet...just using that silence hype...which makes it all, mysterious.I'd like to ask what the hell you're talking about...

Besides, Sony hyped out their cell processor and rsx card like crazy, and made plenty of claims of it's great potienal (with proof), with other things like webcam/mic over the internet with friends, p2p sharing (for save games or stuff like that), and such. (almost a computer...but not quite)

Xbox's the one that's constantly ranting "IT'S THE HD ERA!" (before e3 and during). They're the one's almost commanding that you get a HDTV to fully enjoy your gaming...And most of it's press conference, was marketing marketing marketing (and rather blunt about how they said they're gonna take over the industry)...not to metion it has officially become a PC with a port for a controller now (...purchasing music and playin' them on windows media edition...great).

All nintendo really did with the Revolution at E3 was say "Hurrah we're on the internets now!" and "You can download the old stuff!"...and the rest was mostly about GameCube titles and DS games. Still keeping the Revolution pretty hidden and rather unknown.

[Seraphna]

A) I was confiorming what you stated.

B) Sony showed thier cell porcessor and hardware for about 10% of thier confrence, the rest was all about it's compatibility with shit you should buy with it.

C) Nintendo did just as you and I both said, only you just did a real good job of making it somehow negative.

[Akira]

Hmmm... I think Nintendo ain't the ones overhyping atm. <.<Regardless of emoticons or typing style, there's no way around the fact that the internet is not best for assumuption that one fully understands another.

C) Nintendo did just as you and I both said, only you just did a real good job of making it somehow negative.Evidenice that wording is key to understanding (especially with the use of text based formats)...and I really wished Nintendo would have shown a bit more...the suspence is killing me...

B) Sony showed thier cell porcessor and hardware for about 10% of thier confrence, the rest was all about it's compatibility with shit you should buy with it.The press conferrence, no, they did a good job for the press, the actual show room, yeah...they're just out to get your money now 'cause they've already shown what they need to show for the ps3.
But don't think xbox was much better...especially with their constant talk of "Obtaining the Market"...I mean, saying "Appeling to all people" rather than speaking like they're trying to buy in stock holders would have gone over a lot smoother.

[Seraphna]

The Gaming Industry... going the way of the Music industry since 2k2.

Oi...

[echoes]

*slaps you for using 'k' in place of '00'*

what are you, a shitty sports game franchise?

[Akira]

What about the Y2K BUG!? <_>

But anyway, the Revolution sounds pretty awesome, I wish they'd just go ahead and let the Rev play dvds, it's not like it's gonna kill'em.

[Tweekit]

What the Revolution needs, in my opinion, are games by the plenty. I'm the kind of guy who prefers great games over quantity, but if there was one falling with the Gamecube, it was it's absolutely miniscule library in comparison with the other two titans. Nintendo always has a thing for making timeless games, a tradition I very much appreciate, but sometimes, I cry myself to sleep thinking they may go the way of Sega, producing awesome games with the corporations taking the path of the consoles.

I PRAY for the best, but I'm wary. The ability to download any Nintendo game made in the past 20 years is an appealing one, and the online sounds great. I'll buy it, but doubt has stricken my heart with Nintendo as of late.

You know what I think would be awesome? If the Gameboy Micro has the ability to hook up to your revolution, and say you downloaded, oh... Final Fantasy III, you could transfer that to your gameboy. I know it won't happen, but having a huge library at your fingertips for retrogamers would be sweet.

The main thing with Nintendo lately is that they'll make these AWESOME games that are pretty unique... but it'll happen every few months. The games in between are rarely up to standards, or something I can't play at slightly better quality on my XBox.

I've been gaming since I was three, and Nintendo's held me in it's loving, pixelated arms. I hope they'll pull out of what I interpet as a small rut; not exactly the downfall of their company, but not the best of times either.

Just some thoughts. Make me proud Nintendo.

[Akira]

You know what I think would be awesome? If the Gameboy Micro has the ability to hook up to your revolution, and say you downloaded, oh... Final Fantasy III, you could transfer that to your gameboy. I know it won't happen, but having a huge library at your fingertips for retrogamers would be sweet.That's never gonna happen due to the fact that the GBM doesn't have a harddrive (not gonna happen on the DS either with same reason)...unless you felt like keeping your GBM on all the time. But it's a nice idea.

[Rama]

Forgive me if this has been posted already, but here are some games that will be availble for download on Revolution:


NES
1. 10-Yard Fight
2. Anticipation
3. Balloon Fight
4. Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
5. Baseball
6. Clu Clu Land
7. Dance Aerobics (may require dance pad, I halfway wanted to put this in questioned)
8. Devil World
9. Doki Doki Panic
10. Donkey Kong
11. Donkey Kong 3
12. Donkey Kong Classics
13. Donkey Kong Jr.
14. Donkey Kong Jr. Math
15. Dr. Mario
16. Dragon Warrior
17. Duck Hunt
18. Excitebike
19. Famicom Wars
20. Final Fantasy
21. Fire Emblem Gaiden
22. Fire Emblem: Ankokuryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi
23. Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino and Hoppy
24. Golf
25. Gum Shoe
26. Gyromite
27. Hogan's Alley
28. Ice Climber
29. Ice Hockey
30. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Taito)
31. Kid Icarus
32. Kirby's Adventure
33. Kung Fu
34. Mach Rider
35. Mario Bros.
36. Mario Time Machine
37. Mario is Missing!
38. Mario:Fun with Letters
39. Mario:Fun with Numbers
40. Metroid
41. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
42. Mother (Earthbound)
43. NES Open Golf
44. Nintendo World Cup
45. Nuts & Milk
46. Pin-Bot
47. Pinball
48. Play Action Football
49. Popeye
50. Pro Wrestling
51. Punch-Out!!
52. R.C. Pro-Am
53. Rad Racer
54. Rad Racer 2
55. Short Order/Eggsplode
56. Slalom
57. Snake Rattle & Roll
58. Soccer
59. Stack Up
60. Star Tropics
61. Super Mario Bros.
62. Super Mario Bros. 2
63. Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
64. Super Mario Bros. 3
65. Super Spike V'Ball/World Cup Soccer
66. Super Team Games
67. Tennis
68. Tetris
69. Tetris 2
70. The Legend of Zelda
71. To The Earth
72. Track meet
73. Urban Champion
74. Volleyball
75. Wario's Woods
76. Wild Gunman
77. World Class Track Meet
78. World Cup Soccer
79. Wrecking Crew
80. Yoshi (Mario & Yoshi)
81. Yoshi's Cookie
82. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
83. Zoda's Revenge: Star Tropics II


Super NES
84. Derby Stallion 98 (NP)
85. Donkey Kong Country
86. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
87. Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
88. EarthBound
89. F-Zero
90. FX Fighter
91. Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo
92. Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu
93. Fire Emblem: Thracia 776
94. Hyper V-Ball
95. Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball
96. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Winning Run
97. Killer Instinct
98. Kirby Super Star
99. Kirby's Avalanche
100. Kirby's Dream Course
101. Kirby's Dream Land 3
102. Kirby's Ghost Trap
103. Legend (some say the movie inspired Zelda but the timing is off, sorry im a history buff)
104. Mario Paint
105. Mario and Wario
106. Mario's Early Years: Preschool Fun
107. Mario's Super Picross
108. Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge
109. NCAA Basketball
110. NHL Stanley Cup
111. Panel de Pon
112. Picross NP Vol. 8
113. PilotWings
114. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
115. Sound Fantasy
116. Star Fox
117. Stunt Race FX
118. Super Famicom Wars
119. Super Mario Kart
120. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
121. Super Mario World
122. Super Metroid
123. Super Punch-Out!!
124. Super Scope 6
125. Super Soccer
126. Super Soccer 2
127. Super Tennis
128. Tetris & Dr. Mario
129. Tetris Attack
130. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
131. Tinstar
132. Uniracers (Unirally, the game sucked bad you raced unicycles with no rider)
133. Winter Gold (FX Skiing)
134. World League Baseball
135. Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2
136. Yoshi's Safari

Nintendo 64
137. 1080° Snowboarding (a personal fave)
138. Animal Forest (Animal Crossing for you Americans)
139. Banjo-Kazooie
140. Banjo-Tooie
141. Blast Corps
142. Bomberman 64
143. Bomberman Hero
144. Buggie Boogie
145. Cabbage
146. Catroots
147. Climber
148. Command & Conquer
149. Creator
150. Cruis'n USA
151. Cruis'n World
152. Cu-On-Pa
153. Custom Robo
154. Custom Robo V2
155. DD Sequencer
156. Dezaemon DD
157. Diddy Kong Racing (w00t)
158. Donkey Kong 64
159. Doubutsu Banchou
160. Dr. Mario 64
161. Echo-Delta
162. Emperor of the Jungle
163. Excitebike 64
164. F-Zero X
165. Gendai Dai-Senryaku: Ultimate War
166. GoldenEye 007
167. Hey You, Pikachu!
168. Jack and the Beanstalk
169. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Slugfest
170. Killer Instinct Gold
171. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
172. Kirby's Air Ride
173. Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
174. Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr
175. Mario Golf
176. Mario Kart 64
177. Mario Party
178. Mario Party 2
179. Mario Party 3
180. Mario Tennis 64
181. Mickey's Speedway USA
182. Mini Racers
183. Mischief Makers
184. Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 2
185. NBA Courtside 2: Featuring Kobe Bryant
186. Paper Mario
187. Perfect Dark
188. Pilotwings 64
189. Pokemon Puzzle League
190. Pokemon Snap
191. Pokemon Stadium
192. Pokemon Stadium 2
193. Pokemon Stadium: Gold, Silver, Crystal Version
194. Ridge Racer 64
195. Riqa
196. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
197. Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth
198. Star Fox 64
199. Star Wars Episode I: Racer
200. Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
201. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
202. StarCraft 64
203. Super Mario 64
204. Super Smash Bros.
205. Tetrisphere
206. The Legend of Zelda DD (Ura Zelda) (Master Quest in America)
207. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
208. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
209. The New Tetris
210. Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics
211. Wall Street DD
212. Wave Race 64
213. Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
214. Yoshi's Story

Satteleview Games
215. BS F-Zero 2 Grand Prix
216. BS Special Tee Shot
217. BS Zelda

64 DD games
218. SimCity 64
219. F-Zero X Expansion Kit
220. Kyojin no Doshin 1 (Doshin the Giant)
221. Mario Artist: Communication Kit,Paint Studio,Polygon Studio, Sound Studio, Talent Studio

And I must give credit to my friend Garrett who showed me this information.

He also thought that the above titles would be available for free, but he later found out that there will be a charge of some sort.

[Ninja-Z]

There will be a fee? Well, from what I've read (on a video game news site, not a forum, mind you), Satoru Iwata said there would be no pay to download games on the Revolution. It may have been mistaken, but oh well, it still is awesome that the Revolution has this capability to download old games, even games only found in Japan (the Fire Emblem games, for example).

To address what Tweekit said, yes, the Gamecube might have had a small library compared to the PS2 and X-Box, but one thing I've noticed is that a) 3/4 of the games on the X-Box are available on other systems, even Halo, which is on the PC, and b) the same almost goes for the PS2, though there are a bit more exclusives on it this time around, though some aren't exclusives any longer (Grand Theft Auto, anyone?). I can certainly say that Nintendo has the best first-party support there is, and its third-party support, as lackluster as it may seem, also holds strong.

However, it's true. Judging from the final introduction of online play though, 3rd party publishers could probably go over to it, since, from the looks of things, online play has become a major role in video game production these days. Meh, the thing is that just with Super Smash Bros. online in my hands, I'll be able to suffice.

[Cornwizzle]

That would be sweet if the games were free, but at least I can hope that downloads are not too expensive. I do hear, though, that Nintendo will offer some discounts, if you will, if you buy Revolution games.

[Punisher]

The list is fake (http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=6320)

Though it has been confirmed downloading will cost money. We had this fake list the other forum I go to. It was too good to be believable.

[radiopillows]

edit: Yeah it makes more sense they'd show us the controller before the games.

[Balto]

I will probably buy the Revolution of the 3 systems first because it is the cheapest and is just so darn small. Thing is just a little bigger then the "Chappelle's Show Season 2" boxset so I'll be able to save alot of space with it. Then all the room I saved up will be taken by the next (perhaps large) Xbox and incoming PS3.

That's usually the way I roll when it comes to buying systems. Bought the Dreamcast first ($75) then the Gamecube($200) then the Xbox($250) and PS2($120, got it used) last. I'm just so dang cheap. :sad:

[Ballistic]

I'll probably end up getting the Revolution before I consider either of the other 2 systems. I always end up playing more games on my Gamecube, and I get more satisfaction out of them. I also don't really want to pay $80 CDN or more per game, either.

[Seraphna]

About that lsit, the inconsistency I saw with whoever wrote it lay right in the SE titles. THey put FF1 and Dragon Warrior in there, but no other SE titles, makes no sense, no sense at all.

[kratos]

I'll probably end up getting the Revolution before I consider either of the other 2 systems. I always end up playing more games on my Gamecube, and I get more satisfaction out of them. I also don't really want to pay $80 CDN or more per game, either.
damn skippy.

[Akira]

I personally wouldn't mind making mircropayments for the older games.
NES = $1
SNES = $3
N64 = $5
(Special Remake with online features? = $7) <--(I dunno, Nintendo likes to do some awesome stuff)

I also don't really want to pay $80 CDN or more per game, either. Whoaaaa, where'd you hear that? Revolution games will indeed be cheaper with sticking to DVDs but the new formats are not $30 more than the original.

b) the same almost goes for the PS2, though there are a bit more exclusives on it this time around, though some aren't exclusives any longer (Grand Theft Auto, anyone?). I can certainly say that Nintendo has the best first-party support there is, and its third-party support, as lackluster as it may seem, also holds strong. ...the ps2 barely has any PC games at all (I see no Killzone, DMC, Katamari Damacy, Gungrave, Okage, for my PC), and if you've played the original GTAs then you'd know it was SHOULD HAVE BEEN for the PC in the first place...(not to mention GTA:SA was finally released on the xBox)

[Ninja-Z]

About that lsit, the inconsistency I saw with whoever wrote it lay right in the SE titles. THey put FF1 and Dragon Warrior in there, but no other SE titles, makes no sense, no sense at all.

Super Mario RPG was co-developed by Square Enix, and I'm positive that other Square-Enix games will crop up when the full downloading list crops up, which will span almost the entire library of the NES, SNES, and N64.

[Ballistic]

As for my saying that the games are going to cost $80 in Canadian funds, that is taken from the prospective MSRP for Xbox 360 games on any site that allows preorders. In fact, they expect the price to go up for Xbox 360 games, seeing as Microsoft wants to take about a 30% hit on each Xbox 360 sold.

[Seraphna]

Super Mario RPG was co-developed by Square Enix, and I'm positive that other Square-Enix games will crop up when the full downloading list crops up, which will span almost the entire library of the NES, SNES, and N64.

It was co-developed by Squaresoft, which has it's rights currently owned by Square-Enix, which is primarily run by what was the former Enix board of Directors...

But yes, agreement there, especially now that we know developers will be making money off thier games on the list.

[Ballistic]

Square Enix has already expressed their desire to support Nintendo, so it would only be natural for them to add their older games.

[Ninja-Z]

Hm, it's nice to see Square-Enix is going back to the company it started off with. Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, despite strong criticism, held my interest, thankfully, and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was also good, along with all their older games such as Super Mario RPG and Final Fantasy 6.

[Reinforcements]

Nice to see some good Nintendo-love going on here and friendly migrants from other forums (hi, Seraphna). I too am filled with anticipation for the Revolution more than either of the other two (although most of my anticipation continues to be bogarted by Twilight Princess). Not that we know too much about it yet, but the info we have is pretty juicy. I was happy with Nintendo's showing at E3 this year, as opposed to say, Sony, whos presentation of the PS3 seemed to be mostly smoke and mirrors, or to borrow a quote from the Monarch, "Lies and pictures of also lies."

[Zaron]

The Revolution vs. 360 vs. ps3 debates that focus on tech spec's are completely pointless, because, in the end, we just want to play a good game. So it doesn't matter how HD it is, if there are no good games for the system then I'll save my money. That's why I never bought a Gameboy Advance. My game boy color with a TETRIS cartridge is more fun than a lot of the other games that I have. *cough* Halo2 *cough*

[I Keel You Ded.]

Here's hoping the Revolution will be as the name suggests. Of course Nintendo always has their AAA franchises, but the GameCube was seriousyl lacking in support. Resident Evil 4 was like the only non-Nintendo game I ever played on it... and with RARE on Microsoft's side they're losing one of their best allies. (Conker's BFD, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie)

[radiopillows]

Rare is probably one of the worst developers I can think of. Games they've released since they switch to M$? Grabbed by the Ghoulies. They pioneered the "collect>open door>collect" game technique. Nintendo wouldn't have let them go if they actually wanted them.

In other news:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/624/624200p1.html
Apparently no HD support for the Revolution. I'd say that isn't a good tactic. See HD support doesn't require an HD TV, but it doesn't punish them either. Many sorts of HD TVs experience weird lag when playing videogames without progressive scan/HD support. I think they should have included it because it wouldn't hurt people who don't have $3000 TVs and it would let people who had said TVs play the games without a hitch. (The hitch is best explained by when we plugged a Gamecube into Atomsk's HD TV and discovered that MVP 2005 had a strange problem. We'd press A to hit the ball and magically the bat wouldn't swing till well after the pitch.) So anyway. Boo Nintendo, please add HD.

[Seraphna]

They aren't making direct HDTV support, no, and they aren;t going all out like DUAL HDTV support liek the PS3 has, but if you notice, nowhere does the article really say Nintendo will nto have progressive scanning. Fact is, it's so standard in input / output technology now, that component / progressive video translation is a given, you'd actually have to spend money REMOVING it.

No, Nintendo does not have direct ultra powered HDTV support, but it'll still play well on an HDTV.

[atomsk]

They aren't making direct HDTV support, no, and they aren;t going all out like DUAL HDTV support liek the PS3 has, but if you notice, nowhere does the article really say Nintendo will nto have progressive scanning. Fact is, it's so standard in input / output technology now, that component / progressive video translation is a given, you'd actually have to spend money REMOVING it.

No, Nintendo does not have direct ultra powered HDTV support, but it'll still play well on an HDTV.

Progressive scan != HDTV. Yes, it's better than standard definition, but it's still no true HDTV, and that is very, very disappointing. Every other console supports some form of true HD, but Nintendo has not (in the Cube) and won't (in the Revolution). It's very disappointing and a slap in the face to people like me who own a big HDTV.

[Korlee]

I don't care about it for the most part because like it or not. People with hdtv's are the minority. The average person buys a tv and keeps it for years before they get a new one. It took a long time just for most people to get AV cables on the back.

Even if its only 10 bucks to throw it in. Thats 10 bucks a majority is paying for and can't use. Also to design a game to actualy look good in hdtv costs even more money. Why should i pay that extra in games and in the system for the few that do have it?

Ya, support at least would have been nice but its not essential and even in the next few years hdtv's will not be the standard. Until they come up with a hdtv that costs $400 or below that looks just as good as your $1000 now. Even then its going to be awhile before most people ditch the older tv.

[atomsk]

I don't care about it for the most part because like it or not. People with hdtv's are the minority. The average person buys a tv and keeps it for years before they get a new one. It took a long time just for most people to get AV cables on the back.

Even if its only 10 bucks to throw it in. Thats 10 bucks a majority is paying for and can't use. Also to design a game to actualy look good in hdtv costs even more money. Why should i pay that extra in games and in the system for the few that do have it?

Ya, support at least would have been nice but its not essential and even in the next few years hdtv's will not be the standard. Until they come up with a hdtv that costs $400 or below that looks just as good as your $1000 now. Even then its going to be awhile before most people ditch the older tv.

At 20% and growing, the HDTV market is a growing margin which should not be ignored. Obviously it won't be the "standard" in a couple years but the percentage of people with HDTVs will continue to grow as prices continue to drop and technology gets better.

The PS2 can do HDTV, the Xbox can do HDTV, the Gamecube cannot. The PS3 can, the Xbox 360 can, the Revolution cannot. And sure, it's a "small margin", but let's just say that of that 20% of the US population with HDTVs (that's about 60 million people), 60% of them are game console buyers. That's another 36 million people. 36 million people who will potentially not buy a Revolution because of a lack of any kind of true HD support for the last or coming generation of console gaming.

I'm sorry, but it's a really stupid move on Nintendo's part to not include any kind of true HD support to please a rapidly growing consumer demographic.

[Seraphna]

The Revolution CAN do HDTV, it just doesn't depend on the user owning one to reach it's maxiomum performance. Progressive scanning acutally = HDTV, as that's what the format was originally MADE FOR. Progressive scanning increases the pixel quality and count in video, it was primarily done to comply with the larger, wider HDTV screens that were coming out at the time, it predate's HDTV compliancy standards, but that does not mean it isn't for what it was made to do.

Newsflash, the 'HDTV compliancies' from this generation in the XBox and the PS2? Progressive Scan.

20% Percent is not rapidly growing, in fact, that's a consideration for becoming outdated before it even dies out. 45%, such as the growth of DVD players in the same amount of time, or 55%, the growth of Sound Processor Units / Recievers during the same amount of time, that's a rapidly increasing market.

You seem to misunderstand everythign about what Rev does. It works the BEST on a TV the MAJORITY of the market owns, a TFTV. It still works, without lag, on an HDTV, and like any TFT standard broadcast, you can run it on the full width of your HDTV with little to no distortion thanks to Progressive Scan.

The other two companies favor the HDTV user, giving THEM the maximum performance, which means only 20% of your supposed market is going to possibly be able to enjoy the true visual capabilities of the system.

Not that videophile statements are a true vaildation, like Iwata said, they are a gaming company, they make games, not movies, not TV, they're already adding a whole lot to thier system, HDTV compliancy standards are just an extra 50 bucks they don't feel is important enough to add. Maybe in a later production cycle, if it proves nessecary, but right now it's a matter of system cost, nothing else.

[atomsk]

So I wrote a nice post and then you edited this big one, so I deleted my old one so I could more accurately respond to this one! Hooray.

The Revolution CAN do HDTV, it just doesn't depend on the user owning one to reach it's maxiomum performance. Progressive scanning acutally = HDTV, as that's what the format was originally MADE FOR. Progressive scanning increases the pixel quality and count in video, it was primarily done to comply with the larger, wider HDTV screens that were coming out at the time, it predate's HDTV compliancy standards, but that does not mean it isn't for what it was made to do. Newsflash, the 'HDTV compliancies' from this generation in the XBox and the PS2? Progressive Scan.

480p is progressive scan. 480p is all that the Gamecube is capable of. The PS2 and the Xbox are both capable of up to 1080i. Huge difference there, chief.

Also, when a Nintendo VP comes out and says "At this time we will not support high-definition on Revolution", I usually take that to mean "We aren't going to have HD support." Because, yanno, that's what it means. I hope it changes, but as it stands it's a stupid decision.

20% Percent is not rapidly growing, in fact, that's a consideration for becoming outdated before it even dies out. 45%, such as the growth of DVD players in the same amount of time, or 55%, the growth of Sound Processor Units / Recievers during the same amount of time, that's a rapidly increasing market.

I never said 20% is rapidly growing, I said that it is currently AT 20% and rapidly growing FROM that. By 2007-2008 it's expected to be at about 45-50%, which is pretty damn good. Also, remember that by 2008 or so the FCC will mandate the cessation of analog signals. Kind of a death knell for old TVs.

You seem to misunderstand everythign about what Rev does. It works the BEST on a TV the MAJORITY of the market owns, a TFTV. It still works, without lag, on an HDTV, and like any TFT standard broadcast, you can run it on the full width of your HDTV with little to no distortion thanks to Progressive Scan.

Yes, that's all well and good and I applaude Nintendo for sticking to their niche market but I and a good deal of HDTV owners don't give a shit about Progressive Scan when there are two other consoles that output to a much higher resolution. Is it that difficult to understand? Yes, yes, it's nice that there will be the capability to output at 480p but if I wanted just 480p I wouldn't go with a next generation console.

The other two companies favor the HDTV user, giving THEM the maximum performance, which means only 20% of your supposed market is going to possibly be able to enjoy the true visual capabilities of the system.

Not true. Here's a fun fact: A game that is made with HD in mind will scale down quite well, due to high resolution textures and lighting being compressed. However, a game not built with HD in mind will not scale upwards as well, because everything has to be upconverted without having any actual high-res data to work off of. Unless Nintendo mysteriously has come up with some super-algorithm to make upconverting standard definition games on the Revolution to perfection, they are still going to suffer, look like shit, and probably have millisecond lag.

Not that videophile statements are a true vaildation, like Iwata said, they are a gaming company, they make games, not movies, not TV, they're already adding a whole lot to thier system, HDTV compliancy standards are just an extra 50 bucks they don't feel is important enough to add. Maybe in a later production cycle, if it proves nessecary, but right now it's a matter of system cost, nothing else.

And I want my games to look nice on my big TV, not look like shit. Is it so much to ask for Nintendo to keep up with the times and try to please a wider consumer base? Apparently so.

[LogicalHarm]

Im slowly becoming a nintendo consumer whore and probably be getting a revolution because the price for xbox 360(20 gig hd) and the ps3(sonys obsessions w/ periphials) will be ridiculous.

My only complaint about nintendo is their lack of 3rd party support.

[Seraphna]

EDIT: Lemme sum this up in a nicer way, I seem to be grouchy...

480p and 1080i are not as different as you claim to be. 480p is compressed 960i resolution, it creates a cleaner picture then standard TV broadcast, and was originally unavailable in the PS2 (later added in the 'Online Edition'). You're stating that somehow a 120 pixel loss will mean a great deal, but it won't, it won't at all, Progressive scanning divides the lost pixels evenly amongst the rest of the picture, and then fills the microscopic holes with color burn from other pixels. In reality you lose almost nothing, and the only way you can really nitpick it is if you're staring at the screen with a magnifying glass.

Nintendo is reaching out for third party with the Revolution as much as Microsoft is reaching out for Japanese developers with the XBox 360.

Square-Enix, Capcom, and Namco are alread all but confirmed, and there are a ton of deals hangng in the air right now, but as this step has always shown us in history, it'll end with a lot of new companies developing for Nintendo systems. THough you have to agree, Nintendo does have a very strong 1st and 2nd party gig going on.

[Korlee]

I never said 20% is rapidly growing, I said that it is currently AT 20% and rapidly growing FROM that. By 2007-2008 it's expected to be at about 45-50%, which is pretty damn good. Also, remember that by 2008 or so the FCC will mandate the cessation of analog signals. Kind of a death knell for old TVs.

You quote that like it matters. As if its going to make my tv worthless and i'll have to upgrade to hdtv or be forgotten. Wrong, in every way. Analog, is being dropped and only that. Most people don't have bunny ears on top of the tv anymore man and alot of people recieve basic digital cable. Which my tv and nearly every other tv with a damn av cable or cable connector in the back of it can support.

Even my step dads tv which is quote me. 20 years old runs a digital signal from comcast. Now it may not be the prettiest a digital signal can be but it gives him the program just fine. Now if his tv can do it and its alot older than my tv. Please, by all means. Explain to me how cutting analog is going to matter to most people?

[radiopillows]

No really guys. It's backwards thinking like this that has kept Internet multiplayer and other important features from GC games. It's not like adding HD support to your software APIs suddenly makes it so that you are selling a $500 system. This is a bad decision simply because it limits the capabilities of this supposedly revolutionary system. ATOMSK AND I ARE NOT SAYING THAT THIS WILL MEAN THE SYSTEM WON'T WORK ON HD TVS AND WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE WON'T BUY IT. In fact, I'm still buying one. All I'm saying is the future is definently heading toward HD, there is no denying this; people aren't fighting to stay on analog CRTs. And Nintendo isn't supporting this to the full extent that they could.

[I Keel You Ded.]

Rare is probably one of the worst developers I can think of. Games they've released since they switch to M$? Grabbed by the Ghoulies. They pioneered the "collect>open door>collect" game technique. Nintendo wouldn't have let them go if they actually wanted them.

In other news:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/624/624200p1.html
Apparently no HD support for the Revolution. I'd say that isn't a good tactic. See HD support doesn't require an HD TV, but it doesn't punish them either. Many sorts of HD TVs experience weird lag when playing videogames without progressive scan/HD support. I think they should have included it because it wouldn't hurt people who don't have $3000 TVs and it would let people who had said TVs play the games without a hitch. (The hitch is best explained by when we plugged a Gamecube into Atomsk's HD TV and discovered that MVP 2005 had a strange problem. We'd press A to hit the ball and magically the bat wouldn't swing till well after the pitch.) So anyway. Boo Nintendo, please add HD.

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/9257/6e-stfu.jpg
TGTTM av or not, we is no longer buddies.

[radiopillows]

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/9257/6e-stfu.jpg
TGTTM av or not, we is no longer buddies.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they aren't that good. At all. Especially since the release of the GC.


Jet Force Gemini - Horrible, horrible camera + lame shooting
Banjo series - Puzzle Collection Simulator
Donkey Kong 64 - Should be part of the Banjo series
Starfox Adventures - "Let's remove everything that makes Starfox fun... And make it more like Banjo and Kazooie!"

[Balto]

I don't want a Revolution anymore...

[Radacoin]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they aren't that good. At all. Especially since the release of the GC.


Jet Force Gemini - Horrible, horrible camera + lame shooting
Banjo series - Puzzle Collection Simulator
Donkey Kong 64 - Should be part of the Banjo series
Starfox Adventures - "Let's remove everything that makes Starfox fun... And make it more like Banjo and Kazooie!"

I'd agree with all but Banjo And Kazooie. I had loads of fun playing both games and I know there are plenty of people who would agree.

[radiopillows]

I'd agree with all but Banjo And Kazooie. I had loads of fun playing both games and I know there are plenty of people who would agree.
Maybe the first one. After the first one, I think most people realized they can only make one game.

[Seraphna]

Radio dear, I just tried explaining several times that yes, it will in fact work, maybe not with the godlike quality the other two systems claim, but it will work, and thanks to progressive scanning, minus the lag.

[radiopillows]

Radio dear, I just tried explaining several times that yes, it will in fact work, maybe not with the godlike quality the other two systems claim, but it will work, and thanks to progressive scanning, minus the lag. Your "480p is good enough" argument does not win me over. I have experienced the different and it is vast.

EDIT
I felt like posting this so I did.
http://img32.echo.cx/img32/9751/pbf055adgamesystem6lv.jpg
Good ol' PBF (http://cheston.com/pbf/archive.html)

[I Keel You Ded.]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they aren't that good. At all. Especially since the release of the GC.


Jet Force Gemini - Horrible, horrible camera + lame shooting
Banjo series - Puzzle Collection Simulator
Donkey Kong 64 - Should be part of the Banjo series
Starfox Adventures - "Let's remove everything that makes Starfox fun... And make it more like Banjo and Kazooie!"

Yeha, not all were great but you didn't HAVE to play the crappy ones. The first Banjo Kazooie was pretty good too. The sequel, ehh, not so much, I'll admit that. But don't forget Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day, and... umm... Hmm. Oh! The Donkey Kong Country (1&2) games for SNES!
EDIT: Ok, I see your point I suppose... We is buddies again. :D

[Seraphna]

Your "480p is good enough" argument does not win me over. I have experienced the different and it is vast.

And I've put together the hardware to run a 480p Composite DVD connection, and tested it up against a 1080i Composite. On the same brand screen the differences are minimal at best. Good enough is a very valid arguement, considering the professional background I'm giving the opinion on, it should even bolster the arguement...